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by studentteacher83 @ Tuesday, 22. Jul, 2008 - 19:14:12

I've been putting my seating plans together for next year. Contrary to what you might think it's not as simple as putting the pupils in alphabetical order or going boy-girl-boy-girl etc... In fact I've gone for boy-boy-girl-girl because whilst alternating between sexes is best for behaviour, having boys together and girls together is better for attainment.

Even then there's lots to consider. You need to take into account any pupils on the SEN register, whether they need to be near the front or if they have ADHD they might be best off at the back so they don't drive you mad fiddling with stuff on their desk. You can't put your brightest pupils together because the others need someone to copy off. You don't want two pupils sat together if neither can read very well. You have to ask their previous teacher who to watch out for, any personality clashes or any other issues such as having a fear of sitting next to a window. I have one boy with severe vision impairment next year so I've been trying to figure out where to sit him in my room so he doesn't have any glare from the sun on him. It's not as easy a job as you might think though admittedly I do take it to obsessive levels, to the extent that one of my colleagues asked me if I was slightly autistic.

Making the plan for my year elevens was easier having taught them this year. There's nothing special about them for me to worry about. I mean that in the sense that they don't appear on any registers, they are of course each special in their own way but in the sense of Susie having a great smile and laugh, Bob always coming out with some dry comment, Alison always trying her best even if the work is ridiculously hard. Not in the sense of having one arm or not being able to spell their own name. This meant I was able to have a little fun. If the third row of my class ever writes out their first initials on their books they would spell out the word 'gasp'. I was tempted to make them spell out 'shag' but couldn't quite bring myself to do it.

I know, I should get a life.


 
 

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kendersrulekendersrule pro
2008-07-22 @ 19:45

you. tell. people. where. to. sit.
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and spelling with pupils.. new game!

studentteacher83studentteacher83 [Member]
2008-07-22 @ 20:57

Just wait til I get a class with pupils called Simon, Harry, Ian and Tony

kendersrulekendersrule pro
2008-07-23 @ 08:51

:))
TISH?

sminchinsminchin pro
2008-07-22 @ 19:57

I don't get my class list until the week before term starts...

studentteacher83studentteacher83 [Member]
2008-07-22 @ 20:59

That'd drive me mad not knowing who i was teaching

sminchinsminchin pro
2008-07-22 @ 21:13

It does drive me crazy but it happens like that because the class lists aren't finalised 'til then... there might still be changes in the first few weeks of term too :roll:

Tessa [Visitor]
http://lareinafrustrada.blogspot.com
2008-07-22 @ 20:31

...or a woman?

studentteacher83studentteacher83 [Member]
2008-07-22 @ 20:59

Ha! Yeah...

menhirmenhir [Member]
2008-07-22 @ 20:33

Oh wonderful! You have confirmed all my prejudices about teaching to the median and leaving the able to fend for themselves and fend off the less able. Your blog raises many questions.

Who supports the learning disabled or the behavioural difficulties medical or otherwise; presumably you would have a classroom assistant?

More Questions:

On whose research have you found improved attainment with the particular gender seating patterns that you mentioned?

Have you examined the methodology, the abilities of the control groups used and critically evaluated the results?

Or, is this pattern one that you find works informally for you; that is, without having undertaken a scientific study of your findings.

I am dubious of 'what works' literature in most professional fields, as the processes of the research cannot be reproduced in their pure form for a whole raft of practical and resource reasons.

Mr E [Visitor]

2008-07-23 @ 03:32

I imagine most teachers will go on what they find 'works', rather than anything else. Different teaching styles will surely reflect different results amongst its pupils?

However, I do think that the result will be so infinitesimal that there's little point in being worried. At the end of the day, if you're a good teacher your kids are going to learn wherever you place them.

oldandrewoldandrew [Member]
2008-07-23 @ 09:24

No. Learning isn't some magic that just happens if the teacher is good enough. Unless you have only the nicest classes, things like seating plans are necessary in order to be a good teacher. Their natural inclination to learn maths is not going to be enough on its own to ensure good behaviour.

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Mr E [Visitor]
http://teacherinthemaking.wordpress.com
2008-07-23 @ 13:43

Well, I guess that's through your own experiences (which are probably more extensive than mine). As a pupil I've been in great classes with great teachers, many of whom didn't bother with seating plans at all. This despite when with other teachers my class having the 'top set naughtiness' you speak about on your own blog.

I'm not saying seating plans are useless - I've been in some classes where they are effective - but in general I haven't seen them make that much of a difference without a good teacher behind them. Define 'good' however you like.

The blog owner changed this comment on 2008-07-23 16:45

studentteacher83studentteacher83 [Member]
2008-07-23 @ 16:00

Crikey, I've opened up a can of worms here. I've no idea if seating plans are always necessary or not but it's a useful way of starting in control. In an exagerated sense it's a case of if they decide where they sit they decide how they behave, though don't go picking holes in that statement because it's just a vague notion.

Seating plans are definitely part of our school's culture, in fact we were told we had to have some form of seating plan even if it's a case of letting them sit where they like and then writing it down. Some pupils will moan about it but it's not had a negative impact on my relationship with my pupils. Whether it's actually helped with behaviour or anything else I don't know but I feel more comfortable sticking with it.

I can't believe a post that was centred on spelling out words with pupils' names has created such serious debate!

Mr E [Visitor]
http://teacherinthemaking.wordpress.com
2008-07-23 @ 16:42

I'm sure the requirements of the individual school also play quite a big role then too. As far as I'm aware, my school doesn't encourage or require seating plans.

Sorry if we've got too heavy! I know you're lighthearted and that's part of what I enjoy about your blog. Don't get too serious :P

By the way, would it be possible for you to edit my previous comment so that the name shows as 'Mr E'? I didn't mean to reveal myself!

studentteacher83studentteacher83 [Member]
2008-07-23 @ 16:50

No worries, I once had someone telling me that teachers like me were awful and were the main problem with the education system today. I just love how people say things like that on the basis of a flippant comment in a blog entry. It's hilarious when people take what I say so seriously.

Re: Comment names. Done!

NobodysHomeNobodysHome [Member]
2008-07-25 @ 00:20

Crikey! I remember just being sat alphabetical or boy-girl at school and then the teacher moving people around after realising they'd made a big mistake! Usually though we just sat where we wanted :D

And wow what a debate you've sparked :P
I would've thought that it would be near impossible to conduct a conclusive scientific study of how best to seat students due to the fact that they are indeed people! This means that different personalities and combinations of people in the class would make results very scattered and give rise to little correlation!

oldandrewoldandrew [Member]
2008-07-25 @ 18:28

Seating Plans 101.

There are three reasons for having seating plans:

1) Some kids (in some classes it seems like a majority) cannot achieve when they are near their friends. No amount of good teaching will overcome this.

2) Unless you have a ridiculously nice class you need to know every students' name for reasons of classroom management, preferably from the first lesson, this is usually best done through using a seating plan.

3) You can reward good work and behaviour by moving students to be with their friends. Controlling who sits where gives you an extra reward and an extra sanction that's often useful.

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